When it comes to The Bachelor‘s upcoming 30th season, we can confirm one franchise alum who will not be handing out the roses — at least, not again.

Leading up to the Season 3 finale of Perfect Match, which featured two Bachelor Nation alums, Swooon sat down with The Bachelor Season 26 star Clayton Echard to discuss his move into the Netflix Reality Universe, his reconnection with fellow franchise lead Rachel Recchia, and, of course, The Bachelor‘s monumental 30th season.